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FORMER HOME CHILDREN "completely dissatisfied with the 'home children' representatives" Dr. Hans-Siegfried Wiegand on "Round Table offense. He has sold them. The patron of

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reader comments on the on Sunday 26 September 2010 in the New OZ - New Osnabruecker newspaper articles appearing in the the » Roundtable residential care in the 50s and 60s " patron Dr. Antje Vollmer is quoted and to and their line profiled.

article by Uwe Westdörp 26th September 2010 16:49 clock @ http://www.noz.de/artikel/47999832/vollmer-niemand-darf-ausscheren

reminder of the Round Table residential care - even more hurdles on the home stretch

Vollmer: No one may veer


reader comments :


» Lothar C. , Monday, 27 September 2010, at 23:47 clock

solutions "received with great respect" ? .. What?

Quote: "The proposals and demands of the former children in care are in the words of Vollmer at the round table" was taken "with great respect

This is in no way the truth and further discloses the contemptuous attitude towards the concerns of Survivors of the former children's home hell.

Neither are the solutions proposed by representatives of the victims of the Round table itself appeared to have other victims' representatives in the minutes as an item on the agenda at all! ! !

to mention the fact that they had been at all disskutiert or even accepted.
Instead, "warned and threatened with failure who is not sworn on a line.
Whose line question arises here?

The completely disregarded and deleted from the agenda of suggestions of children in care representatives are always on the internet nachlesbar

asks, since what points of the solutions proposed by the former children in care has led to this woman of such threats can be carried away. As Mediator

this woman is clearly biased and prejudiced in favor of the offender groups. «« «


» Heidi D. , Monday, 27 September 2010, at 15:37 clock

may veer No one? Who determines that?

"We have enshrined the principle of shared responsibility in the interim report already," says Mrs. Vollmer Lieber would apparently forget that even the interim report was just NOT unanimous support -. Mrs Djurovic (alumni representative) for example, has spoken out against large parts of it. In front of television cameras by the way!

Now we learn with amazement that Ms. Vollmer is "absolutely" thinks that "no one broke away." Who do they like to think that? And above all: who should feel comfortable addressed if they emphasized in the next sentence that it should still dare someone (who probably?) Threatened to fail, the "total package".

to put it to make it very clear: the survivors of sexual, psychological and physical violence in German homes and boarding schools require adequate pain and suffering, which is international in its height to the paid or promised money and not about the alarmingly low Funds for former forced laborers hosting!

means Adequate:
● A monthly pension which can not be counted!
● Alternatively, a one-time payment of the amount of at least 15 years! ●
given (and not counted on the pain and suffering!) The acquisition cost of therapy by therapists to choose! (So only religious therapist if this is strongly encouraged!)
● The public apology from the representative of the churches and people of the state!
● An appropriate memorial in the public space
● The organization of "bases" that the survivors also offers assistance in the future
● Binding commitments to control and transparency in future home or boarding accommodation.

Reasonable means definitely not to humiliate the former home and boarding school for children with fine words, and financial "offers" again! And - even modest demand: Why should we let us offer? «« «


CROSS REFERENCE : » ignorance in all its glory: Dr. Hans-Siegfried Wiegand 'children in care representatives', has einschwören from the start on the line of Vollmer can «@ http://heimkinderopfer.blogspot.com/2010/09/ignoranz-in-vollem-glanz-dr-hans.html

CROSS REFERENCE : » What a rechtsbeugendes committee for this "Round Table home education" in Berlin, on the Dr. Antje Vollmer chaired last? "@ http://heimkinderopfer.blogspot.com/2010/10/was-fur-ein-rechtsbeugendes-gremium-ist.html

CROSS REFERENCE : » Antje Vollmer "Round Table home education" patron gets even more completely the legitimate discontent "Former home children" feel. "@ http://heimkinderopfer.blogspot.com/2010/09/antje-vollmer-runder-tisch.html

CROSS REFERENCE : » Siegfried Hans Wiegand's allies, Darmstadt psychologist Erika Tkocz, leans against the reporting of the Australian Martin Mitchell on "@ http://heimkinderopfer2.blogspot.com/2010/10/hans-siegfried-wiegands-verbundete.html

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My [ie Martin Mitchell] own Current Signature: A hearing or proceeding without qualified legal counsel, the law is like a building without a foundation - a house of cards, and an indictment of every "democracy" and alleged "law", where attempts to restrict it.

My [ie. Martin Mitchell's] own current signature: negotiation with The Perpetrators, your detractors and opponents without QUALIFIED legal counsel present and by your side throughout and at all times, and without reliance upon the law and jurisprudence, is like a building without a foundation - a house of cards, and any attempt at curtailment of these rights is clear evidence of incompetence, incapacity and incapability of a country's "constitutionality" and it's "democracy".
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Milena Velba And Santa Clause

Antje Vollmer at the "Round Table home education" auserkohrene "main beneficiary participation" Dr. Hans-Siegfried Wiegand messed up everything.

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ADDITION TO THE FINDING: " " Round Table home education "is a farce in the December 2010 final report is already expected. completed in August 2010. "

All of the" injustice and suffering "in the former" home education "stakeholders" - want to know

Dr. Wiegand is not responding but

Which version of which - "VICTIMS OF FORMER HOME EDUCATION" presented » SOLUTION " , by what date was, then, really the three of Antje Vollmer on » roundtable residential care " officially in Berlin acceptable concerned representatives and WHEN " BROUGHT " and when as "introduced" officially documented ?

first ) THIS and ONLY THOSE » SOLUTION " in the exact wording, please.

second ) Date and time THIS » SOLUTION " , please.

third ) When, how and where and in what way, were THIS » SOLUTION "" introduced ", please ?

4th ) Who were THIS » SOLUTION " officially accepted, please ? - Date and time of contact, !

5th was) How, where and by whom and in what way the official introduction and official receipt THIS » SOLUTION " and irrevocably documented, please ?

Only if all these questions are satisfactorily answered, we can, in my Think, assume that the " roundtable residential care " in Berlin a » SOLUTION CATALOG " exists to which all stakeholders AGREED have and also by the " RTH "recognized, confirmed by the necessary documentation and logging has given legitimacy.

If these questions can be answered satisfactorily, there is no guarantee that any » SOLUTION " from victim's side at all the " Round Table present residential care " in Berlin , even if not different versions of various stakeholders and interested parties-speakers have been published on the Internet, because all this would be and would be completely meaningless.

Sorry on these uncomfortable questions and findings of the Australian 24th Martin Mitchell September 2010, at 04:01 on the clock home child-forum.de


And you've already read what the Protestant theologian and psychologist, Dierk Schaefer, who was a long time for "former children in care" is strength in his Blog ( Dierk Schaefer's Blog ) on these points - the whole issue that I [ there under the username " martini " ] particularly in post 27 in this thread " "Round Table home education" is a farce. The in December 2010 anticipated final report is ready in August 2010. "in home child-forum.de appeal, (which the board users and correspondent" xyz "" trivialities "calls ) - has to say ?

Has particularly well as the user "xyz " already read this?

From 23 September 2010 @ http://dierkschaefer.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/mit-entschadigung-fur-misbrauch-ist-man-auch-in-osterreich-schneller-und-es-darf-auch-etwas- expensive-is-as-in-the-Piefkes / # comments

» What about the former home children, with their compensation or their proposed solutions ?

know if it's not me. There are at least no reports on whether the representatives of the former children's home at the round table at the beginning of the week have brought their claims formally. Sorry the children in care representatives at the round table, the prescribed Arkandisziplin, the vow of silence observed. It may well be that they have brought against all allegations and suspicions of the claims and maintained silence on this laudable behavior. Laudable, because the only way the round table is forced to these claims at all to take note. However, should you, for whatever reason, the proposed solutions have not been formally introduced, then only one thing: you need to immediately call an extraordinary meeting in order to fulfill its duties towards the other children living needs.

It was probably already missed the profound assessment the interim report by Professor Kappeler officially involved in the agenda. A serious error if the should be so. This should not be repeated. If the children in care representatives fail at the Round Table on this point, they would become the coffin nail for the interests of abused children in care and should not be surprised if after the final report to the disappointment of their suffering colleagues in full measure falls over them. I will then participate in a civilized form of it. «« «

And here it will advise you what this issue is real and what IMPORTANT would be (no" side issues "» xyz "! ) @ http://www.veh-ev.info/download/anschreiben.pdf (12 pages ! ).

These 12 pages were all three at » roundtable residential care " in Berlin " say entitled" already during business hours on Friday 17 September 2010:

Dr. Hans-Siegfried Wiegand (both as well his representative at the " RTH Jürgen Bever fjords)
Sonja Djurovic ( both as well their representatives at the " RTH " Stefan Beuerle)
Mrs. Eleanor Fletcher (both as well their representatives at the " RTH " Rolf Breitfeld)

And this 12-page Documentation - » SOLUTION " ! - was also the patron of the " RTH " Dr Antje Vollmer been sent on time!

Etwaiige present testimony of one or other of these persons, that this does not correspond to the facts, do not represent reality.

was apparently at the 9th Meeting of the "Round Table home education in the 50s and 60s " in Berlin on Monday 20 September 2010 and on Tuesday 21 September 2010 talked not even by »» SOLUTION PROPOSALS " by the " VICTIMS OF FORMER HOME EDUCATION "" even , let alone such » SOLUTION "" introduced .

Holger Wendy (from the " office " of the " RTH ") and patron Antje Vollmer had ensured that " NOT ON THE AGENDA stand, and Wiegand, Djurovic and Fletcher had not objected, but had accepted it in silence.

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My [ie Martin Mitchell] own current signature: A hearing or proceeding without qualified legal counsel, the law is like a building ohne Fundament – ein Kartenhaus, und ein Armutszeugnis für jede "Demokratie" und angeblichen "Rechtsstaat", wo versucht wird dies einzuschränken.

My [ ie. Martin MITCHELL’s ] own current signature: Negotiation with the perpetrators, your detractors and opponents without QUALIFIED legal counsel present and by your side throughout and at all times, and without reliance upon the law and jurisprudence, is like a building without a foundation – a house of cards, and any attempt at curtailment of these rights is clear evidence of incompetence, incapability and incapacity of a country’s "constitutionality" and it’s "democracy".
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" We must not wait until the freedom struggle, called treason '. "(Erich Kästner )

Waking Up With A Blocked Nose

church and state, admit in the Federal Republic of Germany a "home about 500,000 victims are still alive," but reject 25 billion from compensation for them.

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lived in the early Federal Republic between 800000-1000000 children and young people in care - the numbers are relatively uncontroversial.

We should go out in the calculations of 500,000 survivors who still live and have an (at least in theory) be entitled to compensation, placing a number of reason, in the various "solutions" are called, are rife ( [ first ] Working Group to Dr. Wiegand, representatives of former children in the RTH, [ second ] working around women Djurovic, representative of former children in the RTH , [ third ] eV Association of former children in care, since the end of February 2010 on the instructions of patron Dr. Antje Vollmer not represented at the "Round Table residential care").

Djurovic woman calls in various places (most recently on 9/19/2010 in " evangelisch.de ", a web portal of the Protestant Church, http://www.evangelisch.de/themen/gesellschaft/der-runde- table-is-f% C3% BCR-home child-one-one-chance23246 ) a pension compensation of 300 € per month. The results - based on the estimated "residual life" of 15 years - a total of just 27 billion euros!

Wiegand's group calls again the same sum as Mrs Djurovic, as an alternative proposal, it calls for staggered amounts depending on the "gravity of harm", and comes to an average monthly pension of 330 euros. This would - again, with an assumption of 500,000 survivors and potentially pensioners and an estimated "residual life" of 15 years - a total of 59 400 € per person (Dr. Wiegand has that amount in his paper extrapolated generously to 60,000 € - We should still remain in the correct number, because 500,000 people are also 600 € a fairly large sum). This brings us to a total of 29.7 billion euros!

The association of former children in care eV (eV VEH / VEH) joins with his proposed solutions - without specifying their own numbers - to the above variants.

As for taking the time demands of the association of former children in care eV, which provided at the media for an outcry of indignation and finally that Mrs Djurovic the VEH eV back, returned from a sudden relatively modest: The PDB called for a compensation € 50,000 per person - and came with an assumption of 500,000 survivors - the emergence of sensation sum of 25 billion euros! (See the article about human rights violations @ http://hpd.de/node/7135 ).

way: even if one assumes that reported only 10% of any survivors in order to demand compensation payments, to get to the "proposed solutions" are still at 2.7 € 2.97 billion respectively. Keeping these facts in mind in mind, one understands why adorn the two large churches and the state so and put all there to draw the children in the round table!

Even all of us familiar Protestant theologian and psychologist Dierk Schäfer in Bad Boll believes - as he recently (8/27/2010) on his blog: Dierk Schaefer's Blog @ http://dierkschaefer.wordpress.com/2010/ 08/27/losungsvorschlage-von-dr-wiegand / # comment-419 testified - that former children in care be taken to the cleaners:
"A very special thank you, Mr. Mitchell, for pointing out the interview below http: / / mediathek.daserste.de/daserste/servlet/content/5048798 . The lawyer [ Attorney Prof. Elmar Giemulla ] just do not know, like work and other liability insurance person but he also knows the human tragedy on the victim's side. It is here, although not directly to home victims, but all children in care should have a look at this interview so that they learn well-founded, as they are pulled across the table. "

Heidi Dettinger [ in collaboration with Martin Mitchell ]

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My [ie Martin Mitchell] own current signature: A hearing or proceeding without qualified legal counsel, the law is like a building without a foundation - a house of cards, and a Armutszeugnis für jede "Demokratie" und angeblichen "Rechtsstaat", wo versucht wird dies einzuschränken.

My [ ie. Martin MITCHELL’s ] own current signature: Negotiation with the perpetrators, your detractors and opponents without QUALIFIED legal counsel present and by your side throughout and at all times, and without reliance upon the law and jurisprudence, is like a building without a foundation – a house of cards, and any attempt at curtailment of these rights is clear evidence of incompetence, incapability and incapacity of a country’s "constitutionality" and it’s "democracy".
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" We must not wait until the freedom struggle, called treason '. "(Erich Kästner )

What Does Hollywood Mean When Waxing?

http://veh-ev.info/ is the only official website of the Association of former children in eV, the largest home-children affected club in Germany

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Association of former children in care eV


club website @ http://veh-ev.info/

" For the public, we disappeared into the files of the offices and courts - behind walls, we were exploited, tortured and abused - after 40 years we saw ourselves and we shook hands to fight for justice and recognition. "

club website @ http://www.veh-ev.info//pages/der-verein.php

" the former children in care founded on 14 October 2004 in Idstein, Taunus the Association of former children in care e. V. (VEH "/" VEHeV "/" VEH eV). The Association of former children in care is eV the district court of Aachen on the tab VR 4236 registered as a profit association.
The members of the association are mainly former resident, the predominantly have lived in the period 1945-1985 in institutions.
addition to the former, the VEHeV supporting members. Everyone folds, each device can be Födermitglied of the association. The Association of Former
children in eV endeavor to have lived in the homes where the people (or their successors) to win as supporting members.

"For donations, the federated our work in a club, we are very grateful !
donations and member contributions, please transfer to:
Hamburger Sparkasse
Account Number: 1026214476 - BLZ 200 505 50 IBAN
. DE52200505501026214476
BIC: HASPDEHHXXX
or Paypal: veh h.dettinger @ ev.info

The bodies of the association of former children in care are eV, the General Assembly and the Board "

MORE on . Association website @ http://www.veh-ev.info//pages/der-verein.php


beginning and this was before official website of the "Association of former children in care eV " named - and previously known as - http://veh-ev.org ( note the hyphen , this side still exists, with a reference from there now for quite some time on the new club website http://veh-ev.info/ ! !

by some media in Germany - for any reason whatsoever - the " Association of former children in care eV " (" VEHeV " / " VEH " / " VEH eV ") sometimes called the " society of the former children in care in Germany " named (Tagesspiegel and WELT ONLINE, for example, ).


HERE everyone can learn about who and what the " Association of former children in care eV" (" VEHeV " / " VEH " / " VEH eV ") is and what is not --- and who, perhaps, as someone who spends that he is not.


HEIMSEITE.EU / vehev.org (please look closely ! ) has nothing to do with the "Association of former children in care eV. Your operator Michael Peter Schiltsky is a private business firms ( and he , Schiltsky , personally - [during a time when he plays, funded by the Labour Department, as part-time force for the club was active (ca 2005-2007)] - has also THEREFORE this domain - vehev.org - risen ).


imheim.de has nothing to do with the "Association of former children in care eV. Operators are German and English businessmen. Them died BUSINESS HERE.


heimkinder.info has nothing to do with the "Association of former children in care eV. The operators are private businessmen. Them died BUSINESS HERE.


Heimkind.Org has nothing to do with the "Association of former children in care eV. Operators are German and English businessmen. Them died BUSINESS HERE.


ex-heimkinder.de and its operator Klaus Klüber in Alzenau has nothing to do with the "Association of former children in care eV. The website is his private domain.


EHD - former children in care in Germany eV has nothing to do with the "Association of former children in care eV. The couple, Alfred and Margaret Cooper heard.


Association-home child-deutschlands.de has nothing to do with the "Association of former children in care eV. The couple, Alfred and Margaret Cooper heard.


home child-hotline.de has nothing to do with the "Association of former children in care eV. The operator is the Catholic Church in Germany itself


All these websites - and even some other less known websites - have not the slightest with the " Association of former children in care eV to do. " If in doubt, simply ask at the club.

CROSS REFERENCE : » imheim.de ● heimkinder.info ● home ● children's hotline ex-home child-● 'EHD' have not the slightest with the" Association of Former home eV 'to do. "@ http://heimkinderopfer.blogspot.com/2010/09/imheimde-heimkinderinfo-heimkinder.html

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My [ie Martin Mitchell] own current signature: A hearing or proceeding without qualified legal counsel, the law is like a building ohne Fundament – ein Kartenhaus, und ein Armutszeugnis für jede "Demokratie" und angeblichen "Rechtsstaat", wo versucht wird dies einzuschränken.

My [ ie. Martin MITCHELL’s ] own current signature: Negotiation with the perpetrators, your detractors and opponents without QUALIFIED legal counsel present and by your side throughout and at all times, and without reliance upon the law and jurisprudence, is like a building without a foundation – a house of cards, and any attempt at curtailment of these rights is clear evidence of incompetence, incapability and incapacity of a country’s "constitutionality" and it’s "democracy".
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" We must not wait until the freedom struggle, called treason '. "(Erich Kästner )